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Post by Savage Dragon on Apr 3, 2004 18:24:18 GMT 1
Many people seem to be interested in a Zeliard 2. I was wondering, if a part 2 is to be made, then what should the story for it be??
Should we play Duke Garland fighting deamons in some other land, or should he return back to the holy land of Zeliard to once again save the princess?
Get your creative thoughts out and start posting!!
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Post by Jashiin on Jul 9, 2004 9:45:00 GMT 1
He gets kidnapped by aliens who want him to help them retake Mars from the evil slime creatures, then he flies home and gets 1000 Gold from Felishika and marries Felicia. Then they get a little Garland and buy him a stuffed Jashiin toy so he has something to beat up when he's bored.
That's as far as my imagination reaches ;D
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Post by kaio on Jul 15, 2004 2:16:02 GMT 1
how about this;
jaashin has not truely dead. Even his body were destroyed, but his power are still remain in his hideout. Before he confront with garland in the first zeliard, he has a wizard to revive him if he died. Then after jaashin dead, the wizard came to jaashin hideout, but instead of reviving jaashin, the wizard use jaashin's power for himself and wreck havoc on zeliard. While garland was on his journey to the other land, he was told by the guardian spirit that jashiin power are not completely destroyed and someone has got it. So garland go back to zeliard and fight this wizard.
what do you think?
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Post by Jashiin on Jul 22, 2004 4:26:33 GMT 1
Sounds pretty cool, but maybe something new would be better. Some kind of new foe on his new quest...
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Post by ppaladin on Sept 14, 2004 21:29:15 GMT 1
Another problem is: does he keep al his magic from the last game, or does he start "clean", and why? It's not easy  I once thought about making a sequel, but I don't have the art-power... |
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Post by Shvegait on Dec 14, 2004 15:37:17 GMT 1
The guardian spirit definitely has to turn out to be in league with some evil force. Because you trusted him the first time, he is able to convince you to work for evil (though you do not realize this until later). And the guardian spirit would be the last boss (or next to last boss?). He's more powerful than Jashiin... so why didn't he kill him? Now it is obvious... As for the magic, etc. issue, I don't think this is a problem. Any game with a sequel has to deal with this issue, and there are many ways to do it. You could say that the magic of the world is tied to the world and when Duke Garland travels to other worlds he can't draw on the same forces. Or you could say that the long journey to another world drained him almost completely of his energy. Or maybe the evil power drains him of his energy as one of the first events of the game in the new world. You know, as a kid, I used to draw cavern layouts and stuff, but I'm sure none of them were as interesting as Game Arts'! A sequel to Zeliard would be awesome, but the game is perfect as its own entity, except for the ending, which hints at a sequel that never happens. Or maybe we just have to wait 2000 years  I might just relapse and start drafting again... Edit: I just browsed my Spanish-English dictionary for a bunch of words for names of towns, caverns, spells, etc. and came up with a bunch. I know this is mostly about story but we could flesh more of it out as well  You could argue that maybe it should be another language instead of Spanish since you're in another world... but there are still plenty of good words that weren't used in the original Zeliard, and Spanish is a good language for this sort of thing. Edit 2: OK, I had another idea. Throughout the first half of the game you are fighting for good and still trust the guardian spirit. Just as you are about to finish your quest, he tricks you somehow into doing something you shouldn't do (haven't quite decided what this should be. Killing Felicia? But she would have to be linked to this other world somehow. Or maybe something dealing with his own family or some other main character that is the focus of the sequel. It has to be something that leaves a deep scar on Duke Garland.) Then you realize that your quest is not actually finished, and you set out to rectify the situation (whatever the situation is determined to be), and vanquish the guardian spirit (who has fled, so you must pursue him by going through a few more caverns). Of course there are a lot of details missing. Oh, if you're looking for closure, then Felicia should be involved, but if this is to be a sequel with another open ending, then it should be some other character... |
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Post by Savage Dragon on Dec 19, 2004 3:28:47 GMT 1
Hmmm... intersting ideas. I was thinking something a bit more subtle. Here's my idea:
The lands of Zeliard are finally in peace and the 9 Tears are in display in a museum (or someplace). However Alguien is still alive. (The reason being that Jashiin gave Alguien eternal life, and in the game if you kill Alguien and then return back to him, he'll still be alive... you'll have to kill him again). However as Jashiin is destroyed and Alguien's powers depending on Jashiin's, Alguein is growing weak. In a desperate attempt to save his life, he comes out of hiding and manages to steal, lets say 5 of the Tears.
The rest can be left as plot twists. Will Alguien use the Tears to grant himself power and overthrow Jashiin? Will he try to steal the reamaining Tears? Will Alguien try to resurrect Jashiin? Does Alguien have some other plans for the Tears (perhaps he is in league with the deceiving Holy Spirit)? Maybe he kidnaps the Princess too... hmmm.... using her as a virgin in some blood sacrifice in the fires of Mount Doom, where he uses the Tears to forge the Ring of Powe.... uh, I think I'm getting a bit carried away.
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Post by Jashiin on Feb 2, 2005 14:45:34 GMT 1
The lands of Zeliard are finally in peace and the 9 Tears are in display in a museum (or someplace). However Alguien is still alive. (The reason being that Jashiin gave Alguien eternal life, and in the game if you kill Alguien and then return back to him, he'll still be alive... you'll have to kill him again). However as Jashiin is destroyed and Alguien's powers depending on Jashiin's, Alguein is growing weak. In a desperate attempt to save his life, he comes out of hiding and manages to steal, lets say 5 of the Tears. The rest can be left as plot twists. Will Alguien use the Tears to grant himself power and overthrow Jashiin? Will he try to steal the reamaining Tears? Will Alguien try to resurrect Jashiin? Does Alguien have some other plans for the Tears (perhaps he is in league with the deceiving Holy Spirit)? Maybe he kidnaps the Princess too... hmmm.... using her as a virgin in some blood sacrifice in the fires of Mount Doom, where he uses the Tears to forge the Ring of Powe.... uh, I think I'm getting a bit carried away. LMAO |
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Post by noxtro on May 7, 2005 17:40:41 GMT 1
hey, i think all your idea are great! But which story plot do you think suitable for zeliard 2? or maybe you can mix some part with another or combine them? because im planning to make zeliard 2 in 3d soon, help are wellcome. anyone interested in designing those carracters?
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Post by kaio on Jul 19, 2006 7:30:23 GMT 1
Any new idea on zeliard 2?
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Post by Jashiin on Jul 28, 2006 19:38:45 GMT 1
Not really  |
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Post by kaio on Aug 8, 2006 4:48:54 GMT 1
I'm interested with shvegait story plot (edit 2), I also think felicia should take part on 2nd journey of the story, maybe not from the beginning, but at the half of the story or she may have her own quest. The story plot can be switch from time to time between felicia and garland, and finally they meet each other at the end?. The idea can still be expanded from it. How about this?
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Post by kaio on Aug 14, 2006 17:20:42 GMT 1
mmm? any idea?
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Post by Shvegait on Aug 14, 2006 18:24:36 GMT 1
Sounds interesting, would you play as both characters? And if so, what would playing as Felicia be like?
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Post by Elvarg on Aug 14, 2006 21:35:33 GMT 1
I think we have some really strong points here:
MAIN ENEMY:
The main boss should be Alguien, not Jashiin or anyone else. Why? Well, Jashiin has been slayed, and the game has made it VERY clear that this time it's once and for all. Bringing him back YET AGAIN would be really lame, it's like telling the same story over and over because you don't have any new iteas.
Alguien, on the other hand, according to the game's own story, is immortal. We witness this ourselves when we cant slay him like the rest of the bosses, and he just comes back to life over and over. So it's consistent with story that he's the only boss that didn't die forever after story's end. Also, being Jashiin's personal bodyguard, he's supposed to be strongest after Jashiin, and after Jashiin is slayed, it's understandable that Alguien think's he's the strongest and wants to take over. Why invent a new boss when we have such a good chance of reusing an existing one, without either being lame or going too far away from story? Alguien it is.
Heroes:
Having Felicia would be very cool. Many would like to play as her, and it would diversify the experience having 2 heroes rather than 1. It will also make people feel they didn't waste all this time bringing Felicia alive, and now the player is rewarded as being able to play as her.
Tears of Esmesanti:
It would be cool to reuse the tears, but NOT the same way as in Zeliard 1. It would just be repeating ourselves. I think that we could reuse the tears as an item of equipent for Felicia. She would be able to wear the jewels and it would give some bonus, just like Garland can wear stuff.
What still needs to be done:
If Garland needs to start again, obviously he wont have items like Enchantment sword or highjump boots. We need to find an excuse for him not to have these items.
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Post by kaio on Aug 17, 2006 22:58:01 GMT 1
Heroes -
the player should able to play Felicia separately, with different quest and level throughout the game, I'm thinking that Felicia can be a magic user (she get the power from tears of esmesanti perhaps?).
Enemy –
Having Alguien as main boss would be cool, but how about merging him with some other power or enemy that will make him stronger than Jashiin. Or maybe we can made some other evil character that fuse with Alguien, so he can have intelligent in plotting scheme or something?, since Alguien is just a bodyguard to Jashiin before.
Tear of Esmesanti –
I agree with Elvarg, maybe each of them will represent different power or spell. Felicia need to unlock each of the power during the game so she can use it to help Garland defeat final boss.
any suggestion?
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Post by Jashiin on Apr 3, 2007 9:39:10 GMT 1
Well, I'm pretty clueless here, but just wanted to drop a line. A lot of you have interesting ideas here, but I'm not so fond of them.
But what I completely agree with is that Alguien should be the main boss, just a ton more powerful (his strength grew as he got older?). Let's say now that Jashiin's dead he escaped his prison (the encounter room where he had to wait for anyone trespassing) and created his own horde of minions.
I don't think Felicia should be playable, but maybe rather an NPC that you'd bring a Tear of Esmesanti back to, and she'd make up something powerful for you to use?
I'm more eager to see a RPG-type of game, with more advanced elements. STR/END/INT are already present, as your powers increases with experience (EXP), and each raise boosts the power of your sword, your hit points and your spell number (MP?). It's just that your EXP is never visible, your or the monsters' HP is never displayed although your own is shown graphically, nor is there any MP in reality, although it suggests that the amount is always divided for use in each spell.
So how about a more advanced walk-around quest, with nice graphics and detail, more interaction with people, and more items? But it should remain in 2D.
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Post by neosiagroup on Aug 31, 2008 11:43:41 GMT 1
I think it is interesting to make Holy Spirit as an enemy. Because he took out Garland quickly from Zeliard land and separate from Felicia, because he doesn't want Garland's heart stayed for long in Zeliard. Jashiin is Holy Spirit's rival, while Jashiin kept Felicia's body, Holy Spirit kept Felicia's soul. Holy Spirit make alliances with many magician (as you can meet them on every village), that's why they are helped you to increase your power to defeat Jashiin. After Jashiin defeated, holy spirit had a chance to took some of his power. Actually, Felicia's soul still kept by him, he put in false soul into Felicia's body, in order to corrupt her father kingdom. This plot might be expanded.
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Post by Jashiin on Sept 4, 2008 22:58:57 GMT 1
I'd rather go along the lines of Alguien taking matters into his own hands, but your idea could be a side-story betrayal. It could fit in nicely.
I doubt it will be made, but I hope we could pool some talents ourselves and try?
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Post by dantheus on Jun 3, 2010 16:44:50 GMT 1
I know it;s never going to happen, but if Z2 does ever happen let's keep it nice adn D, eh? At most it could have the complexity of little big planet. A ame this pure would never make a pash in the market of nuts we have these days, though. I miss the days when Zeliard was the best game anyone I knew know about. Zeliard forever! My children will not forget.
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You could argue that maybe it should be another language instead of Spanish since you're in another world... but there are still plenty of good words that weren't used in the original Zeliard, and Spanish is a good language for this sort of thing.
